Study with Sara

2 Corinthians 10:6 “… being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is filled.”

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The Apostle Paul is quite bold in speaking to the church in this chapter. And, out of the boldness of his pen comes this charge to the Body of Christ. Now, that you know, understand and practice OBEDIENCE, from here on declare war on DISOBEDIENCE!

I am so looking forward to your bold pen helping us to understand and have the knowledge on how to do this. How to punish all DISOBEDIENCE! How to Win The War on this order.

I am listing of few of my thought questions as I journey with each of you for answers.


1) Does this mean that once you have been delivered from your inner weaknesses which made you disobedient in the first place, then you must maintain an alertness to deal promptly with any return of these things?

2) Do you think it could mean now that you know to love never ever let hate happen again? Change your ignorance to knowledge? Delete apathy from your computer and program- in your services, your mercy and your grace.

3) Paul speaks about bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ in verse 5 of this chapter, could we be thinking ourselves larger than our call? If so, would this bring about disobedience to our call while thinking we are obedient.

4) We have been studying in the last few blog studies just how important commitment is. How do you think commitment compares to obedience? And, disobedience to rebellion?

5) Do you think we need this kind of training (picture below) to ‘punish all disobedience?’

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6) Maybe Paul is telling me to kick disobedience out of others? Could this be? Maybe when we discipline our children, live a life of obedience as an example to others, disobedience will go because we have punished it.

Lilies, help is needed before we start those high kicks, don’t you think?

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17 thoughts on “Study with Sara

  1. Peter says obedience is the same as salvation. Meaning that obedience to the preaching of the Word of God brought you to salvation. If we take that Paul is using the term with similar meaning then every act of disobedience is failure to believe and operate in the word of God. Peter details other acts of obedience in I Peter 1,  when you become obedient.

  2. Wow! Going to war must involve asking a lot of strategy questions (6+ above!). But I am willing to try to participate in this journey. I am not ready for the high kicks yet.
    1) Yes, because your question implies that there was a weakness to begin with…a susceptibility to a particular disobedience. Once you are free of the disease and your house is swept clean (Luke 11:24-26)you can’t afford to open the door and entertain this visitor again. And you have to be alert to the possibility that the temptation will come in a different form than the one you just got control over.

    2) I would say yes and that it requires an action in order to overcome…a deliberate decsion whether you feel like it or not to choose love, to choose knowledge. Appathy is very dangerous because it sneaks in so subtly you hardly know it’s there and it breeds inactivity. I found this exerpt from ‘War On The Saints’ by Jessie Penn-Lewis with Evan Roberts helpful as I associate apathy with passivity. “I think The chief condition, therefore, for the working of evil spirits in a human being, apart from sin, is passivity, in exact opposition to the condition which God requires from His children for His working in them.”

    3) Yes. One Bible translation calls the thoughts ‘imaginations’ (a definition:fanciful or empty assumptions).We may be so busy dreaming of what we ‘should do,could do, would do’ that we do nothing with the mina or talent God has given us (Matt 25:24,25)

    4) I think committment and obedience are inseparable. Rebellion is disobedience and that is as the sin of witchcraft (1 Samuel 15:23).

    5) We might. Now there’s a warrior in that picture dressed in her full armor! And I read on a Tae Kwon Do website that ‘the basic principles of Tae Kwon Do are broken down into five elements of belief: courtesy, integrity, perseverance, self-control, and indomitable spirit.’ That should kick some disobedience.

    6) I think you are right. Punishment has a way of making us straighten up fast. Punish means: to impose a penalty on for a fault, offense, or violation; to inflict a penalty for the commission of (an offense) in retribution or retaliation; to deal with roughly or harshly; to inflict injury on; HURT.

  3. …still working on other answers …but this seems like one for #6…proverbs 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go and, when he is old, he will not depart from it….also this seems to tie in with your GN part 1and 2…thats where I am studying…..

  4. sorry thats GP..and all the parts…still studying..dj…OH #4..you cant be truly obedient without committment…(this thought came to me..there is committment even in disobedience)…dj

  5. Gary, I read I Peter 1 and I agree I think Peter gave us a way to punish disobedience with the following verses:

    I Peter 1:13-17 Message “So roll up your sleeves, put your mind in gear, be totally ready to receive the gift that’s coming when Jesus arrives. Don’t lazily slip back into those old grooves of evil, doing just what you feel like doing. You didn’t know any better then; you do now. As obedient children, let yourselves be pulled into a way of life shaped by God’s life, a life energetic and blazing with holiness. God said, “I am holy; you be holy.”

    17 You call out to God for help and he helps—he’s a good Father that way. But don’t forget, he’s also a responsible Father, and won’t let you get by with sloppy living.”

    same verse from NIV…”Therefore, prepare your minds for action; be self-controlled; set your hope fully on the grace to be given you when Jesus Christ is revealed. 14..As obedient children, do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance. 15..But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; 16for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.”

    After work on self-control and commitment for the last few weeks I thought “how do I maintain when my day gets so busy or really other things seem more important to me. I guess St. Peter and others knew this would happened and warned, you, Sara, don’t let it happen. It’s all in your hands.” Lot to think on and be responsible for when the nail hits home.

  6. #3….Well I’m back to Saul/Paul again..:)…Saul turned and instead of pursecuting, killing and stopping the Christians, He became one, taught them and caused people to become one…Paul punished his disobedience(persecuting christians) when he became obedient(by becoming born again himself)…….this includes committment too!….dj

  7. OK…I’ve been in the Daily Lily “Archives” searching..and in both the GP and GN blogs there is good info on this subject….I found one section where you Sara were writing about all the negetive things people think of during the Christmas Season, gold prices, bird flu, inlaws, etc (and they say it like a song being sung) …but then you Sara said “why dont I try changing my tune to some thngs that My Mother(a generational positive)taught me and have kept me focused over many years…you were taught to focus on John 8:12..light was born…Isaiah 35:10..Hope was born…Jeremiah 17:17 Trust was born…Acts 4:12 Salvation was born. Instead of getting hooked in on the other side you (chose) to punish disobedience by speaking the positive that had been planted in you…..(how is this for another part of the answer to #4?)..dj

  8. those lazy old grooves of evil…(slipping lazily back into those old grooves of evil).sounds like a song best forgotten:)..but better still remember so as not to slip…or like your bamboo..stretch to reach over the trench…:)dj it seems one has energy to do (disobedience)but find none when (obedience)is required, at least not much …

  9. #1..to me it seems like a sort of cancer, and if not dealt with promptly the out come could be just as devastating….as with a cancer if caught in time it is treatable….if not caught in time……….?dj

  10. Dorothy thanks for the reminder on the good info on Sara’s GN and GP blogs. Her GN Part I blog is all about passivity (one definition of passivity is lethargy… …the opposite of ‘life energetic and blazing with holiness’ she spoke of above in Peter.) She said “(GN’s) = Passivity + Negative Words brings about a possible generational negative (GN). Yet, Jesus gave many behavior modifications for our actions to help break the (GN).” It seems to me once you are free of GN punish any disobedience by not being passive or using those negative words so it doesn’t come back. If you do I guess that could be like the sloppy living Sara wrote above?

  11. It seems David has given a “behavior modification” tool as an incentive to obedience, in the Book of Psalms. In the Amp. Bible Ps. 91:10-11 lists a great motivational force as it reads, “There shall no evil befall you nor any plague or calamity come near your tent(home)…11…For He shall give His angels especial charge over you to accompany, defend and preserve you IN ALL YOUR WAYS OF OBEDIENCE AND SERVICE!!”
    That certainly is a great promise and incentive to lead an obedient-to-the-WORD life before the LORD.

  12. I’d like to try and answer Sara’s questions above:
    1. yes
    2.yes
    3. yes
    4. commitment – “If you commit yourself to something, you promise that you will do it or support it.”
    obedience – “If you are obedient, you do what you are told to do.”
    disobedience – “If you are disobedient, you do not do as you are told”.
    rebellion- “Any struggle against the people in charge of something.”
    In looking at these definitions, it is pretty obvious that commitment/obedience and disobedience/rebellion certainly go hand in hand. You can’t have one without the other.
    5. I think Debbi has it in her answer; courtesy, integrity, perserverance, self-control, and indomitable spirit. Which leads me to #6.
    6. If we posses the “traits/characteristics” listed in #5, we will not have to worry about punishing the disobedience, because it will not be present. Although, a few kicks sure keeps your blood flowing good!!

  13. Yes, Needles, I agee with you, a few sure kicks do keep your blood flowing really good!…alsoI found in Acts 2:14 that Peter did a really good high kick and not only did he get his blood flowing but the church was added to…so when we, as Sara pointed out, change our ignorance to knowledge there is going to be fruit….like in Peter’s case..souls for the kingdom and the fulfillment of the call on his life…Jesus told him to feed my sheep and in acts 14 he did……dj

  14. 6. If we posses the “traits/characteristics” listed in #5, which are,(courtesy, integrity, perseverance, self-control, and indomitable spirit.) we will not have to worry about punishing the disobedience, because it will not be present.

    Needles, I like the idea you have given that if we take ownership of a godly character we can spend our time on something more valuable than punishing disobedience. Having had the opportunity of rearing two children I can honestly say punishing disobedience was never pleasant. But, it was and is always a pleasure enjoying the joy of living with children and watching them grow and mature when they and myself obeyed the rules of the home.

    I don’t believe our Father made our family rules so hard that we cannot live up to them. How much more enjoyable it is to fellowship with those that love The Father and enjoy His divine order than living with and tolerating disobedience.

    I pray that I never take pleasure in living a life of disobedience to God. Father, thank you for giving us strength to overcome and not participate in disobedience. I pray we give you pleasure with our lives of obedience. May your joy and our joy be filled as we become one with You. John 17:20-26

  15. Here are a few easy stops to faithful Obedience found in the book of John.

    2:5 Practice instant obedience to whatever Jesus tells you to do.

    5:16-23 Do only what you see Jesus doing and as He did only what He saw the Father doing.

    7:17 Determine to obey the Lord. Align your will with His will and receive understanding of His Word.

    12:47-50 Speak as the Lord commands. Know you will be judged by the words of Jesus.

    14:15-24 You show love for Jesus by obeying Him.

  16. Following these steps leads to the harmony and happiness from your Quote for the Week. All is in alignment. I continued to read in John 13:16 where Jesus taught His disciples that the servant was not greater than the Master. I take this to mean that if the Master can do the steps and instructs the servant to do them, then it should be so. And then Jesus said “If you know these things, happy are you if you do them.”

  17. Having read and reread this study I believe that we have to be alert at all times for the devil is cunning and will keep trying to destroy us. In John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have [it] more abundantly. So may we as the song below and scripture say – trust and obey in Jesus, that we may life and life more abundantly in Jesus.

    Trust And Obey
    John H. Sammis, 1846-1919
    Daniel B. Towner, 1850-1919

    When we walk with the Lord in the light of His Word,
    What a glory He sheds on our way!
    While we do His good will, He abides with us still,
    And with all who will trust and obey.
    Trust and obey, for there’s no other way
    To be happy in Jesus, but to trust and obey.

    Not a burden we bear, not a sorrow we share,
    But our toil He doth richly repay;
    Not a grief or a loss, not a frown or a cross,
    But is blessed if we trust and obey.
    Trust and obey, for there’s no other way
    To be happy in Jesus, but to trust and obey.

    But we never can prove the delights of His love
    Until all on the altar we lay;
    For the favor He shows, for the joy He bestows,
    Are for them who will trust and obey.
    Trust and obey, for there’s no other way
    To be happy in Jesus, but to trust and obey.

    Then in fellowship sweet we will sit at His feet.
    Or we’ll walk by His side in the way.
    What He says we will do, where He sends we will go;
    Never fear, only trust and obey.
    Trust and obey, for there’s no other way
    To be happy in Jesus, but to trust and obey.

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