We sure did get, β a different perspective on (patience) Job!”, Sara. And I appreciated how Pastor Reggie clarified it by saying that “While a person may know God, we cannot know God perfectly – We’ll never know all about God’s dealings.” He followed that up by exhorting us to take away this statement from his lesson, “Man must learn to be content with those things which God has revealed about Himself.”
This sure was a packed lesson. I am going back to review.
Debi, I quoted Pastor Reggie in my notes ,β Man must learn to be content with those things that God has revealed about Himselfβ. I believe this quote was used when verses 17-18 was being taught. Isnβt it interesting how the angel of the Lord answered Manoah when he asked his name? βIt is beyond understanding.β I agree with you….βsure is a packed lessonβ.
Pastor Reggie asked if there was anything omitted, at the start of chapter 13. Verse 1: βAgain the Israelites did evil in the eyes of the Lord, so the Lord delivered them into the hands of the Philistines for 40 years.β I put in my notes π…..β there is no reference of the crying out to the Lord for help, from the Israelites.β(as in previous chapters) βGod took the initiative to raise up Samson.β Did I hear or understand correctly?
Tammyβs notes, βPastor Reggie asked if there was anything omitted, at the start of chapter 13. …There is no reference of the crying out to the Lord for help, from the Israelites.β(as in previous chapters…β It sounded like the Israelities were just content in their lives. I must say at that moment in teaching I caught a glimpse of a question I recently asked a Christian doctor. My question, βwhy are people everywhere in our Nation with all these crises not running to Jesus,β he responded, βbecause men loved darkness more than light. He was right according to John 3:19
Thanks Tammy for your notes. You are privileged to be part of this class and we benefit from your notes.
Debi got it right , βa packed lesson.β Rewind and back to my ear buds! π§
As I followed along with Pastor Reggie’s lesson in Judges 13, he pointed out that in vs. 1 the Israelites repeated their cycle of doing evil in the eyes of the Lord. This time the Lord delivered them into the hands of the Philistines for 40 years! This final oppression was “twice as long as the next longest”. We were told in the lesson that this was the 7th recorded apostasy (falling away from the Lord) in the book of Judges. It was so bad that “it had reached a point that the Israelites displayed little discomfort or little evidence of even wanting to be delivered.” Pastor Reggie’s next comments sent a chilling warning …”that’s the way it is with sin, you just learn to accommodate yourself and adjust to it….you are comfortable living in a sinful environment”… you just get used to it and “live with the status quo.”
Tammy, you said, “Isnβt it interesting how the angel of the Lord answered Manoah when he asked his name? βIt is beyond understanding.β
I thought that interesting also.
How about Pastor Reggie’s observations regarding Manoah and his wife? “The Godly wisdom of a woman outshines that of the men surrounding her.”
He was sure they were going to die from seeing The angel of the Lord (God Himself)? But his wife was “calm, logical and confident…”
I caught that too Debi: woman wisdom outshining the men. I like how Manoahβs wife responded to him. Let me recap from the Bible. β22 βWe are doomed to die!β he said to his wife. βWe have seen God!β
23 But his wife answered, βIf the Lord had meant to kill us, he would not have accepted a burnt offering and grain offering from our hands, nor shown us all these things or now told us this.β
In thinking on βthe womanβ (wife and Mother) surrounding the divine birth of Samson and her abilities to heart pocket those things that needed to be pondered and tell the things that were needful for the time surely protrays a person of wisdom as demonstrated in this life story.
I love how Jesus included all of us, male and female as He spoke Words of βinclusiveβ when we follow wisdom way.
βAgain Jesus spoke to them, saying, βI am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness but will have the light of life.β
βJohn 8:12, NRSV
As I unpacked some of the mysteries of Samson and his parents and miracle birth in this lesson I found my first forever recognizing the story of Samson still remains… βlove of women and revenge.β
Are we reliving the human downfall of mankind? Lust for sex and hit back twice as hard? Now, I somehow in my faith of the teachings of Jesus the Christ, heard along the way, βturn the other cheek, β and refrain from lust of sex and no sex outside of marriage.
Am I understanding Christian Leaders telling me in this new era of Bible teaching, lust, lying, and double hit back is the way leaders have been trained by God to win the wars, run Nations and train our youth?
Boggled Head dolls and my bogging is about to boggle off my shoulders and surely boggle the mind.
My answer for the moment tune in for part 2 of Samson and see how things are going for this long haired Nazirite with the lust of women, wine and fight with manly strength.
We need dialogue on the difference of Nazirite and Nazarene? The Angel of the Lotd, being God in human form appearing to a human… theophany, a manifestation or appearance of God or a god to a person. Not an angel.
Also, 5 cites? Named? Iβm also working on map traveling to help my understanding. Looking forward to my classmates helping us out.
Hey, sure hope Pastor/teacher Reggie doesnβt pull one of thos pop quizzes on us or I might fail. I noticed his live ongoing classes struggled a bit…
I love this ongoing series through Judges. Feeling blessed to study with all of you!
The 5 cities I think you are referring to in the lesson, Sara, were Gath, Gaza, Ashd0d, Ekron and Askelon. We were told they were all close to the Mediterranean. These were cities that the Philistines, war-like fighters, exerted great influence over.
Sara, you said, “We need dialogue on the difference of Nazirite and Nazarene?”
My understanding from Pastor Reggieβs lesson was that Nazirite meant βdedicated or consecrated.β The Nazirite vow was βusually taken voluntarily for a limited period of time.β
He went on to explain that Samsonβs vow was βnot voluntary, it was for his whole life.β There were three restrictions for a Nazirite that Pastor Reggie informed us of and said Samson violated all of them: 1) must not eat or drink anything from a grapevine, not even raisins; 2) could not cut their hair; 3) could not go near a dead body.
In my search regarding Nazarene, Jesus is referred to as βJesus of Nazarethβ in Mark 1:24.
Matt. 2:21-23 tells us that He was called a Nazarene. βSo Joseph got up and returned to the land of Israel with Jesus and his mother. 22 But when he learned that the new ruler of Judea was Herodβs son Archelaus, he was afraid to go there. Then, after being warned in a dream, he left for the region of Galilee. 23 So the family went and lived in a town called Nazareth. This fulfilled what the prophets had said: βHe will be called a Nazarene.β
And in Luke 1:26-27 we are told that Nazareth, a town in Galilee, is where Gabriel appeared to Mary to tell her that she would give birth to a son called Jesus.
Pastor Reggie told us that Samson was the βonly judge where anything about his birth is recorded.β He was from the tribe of Dan. And his hometown was Zorah.
Conversely, the hometown of Jesus was Nazareth and his lineage is from Judah (…”Lion that is from the tribe of Judah, the Root of David” Rev 5:5)
Thanks Debi for the clarification. This scripture always comes to my mind,
“Nazareth!” exclaimed Nathanael. “Can anything good come from Nazareth?” “Come and see for yourself,” Philip replied.βJohn 1:46
Debi, You assured us something beyond good came from Nazareth, Jusus, the Messiah!
Yes…..βJesus, the Messiah β!
” The Angel of the Lotd, being God in human form appearing to a humanβ¦ theophany, a manifestation or appearance of God or a god to a person. Not an angel.” Sara, you mentioned this above from Pastor Reggie’s lesson.
I understood him to say from teaching that the angel of the Lord appeared to them as a visitor. That Manoah and his wife “had no real knowledge concerning this visitor until His supernatural disappearance in vs. 20 and 21.” His wife described Him as βa man of Godβ. Pastor Reggie told us βthat term applied to prophets in the OT but that He was no ordinary prophetβ¦His appearance was very awesomeβ¦He was Deity.β This appearance was compared to one in Judges 6:21 where Gideon saw the angel of the Lord disappear. But this time, the angel of the Lord did something amazingβ¦He dramatically βshot up toward the skyβ and βascended in the fireβ (Judges 13:20).
I went back to Pastor Reggieβs Lesson 3, July 24, 2018, βCondemned by The Angel of the Lord.β. He told us there that in Judges 2 the angel of the Lord appeared then to expose them, and that that appearance was God Himselfβ¦the meaning of theophany β God taking on physical form.
What beautiful comments to Reggieβs lesson which opens up the scripture and also stimulates our thinking.
Here is what I glean from the teaching.
We are told Manoahβs wife was visited by a stranger who had told her about herself being sterile and childless and went on to tell her about having a child, that he would be a Nazirite, and what she could not eat or drink and he was to play a role in Israelβs deliverance from the Philistines.
Interesting she never asked who He was nor did He introduce Himself. Sounds to me she knew His voice.
Perhaps years of being sterile and without child she grew closer and closerto God and knew His voice.
When she went to tell her husband she said he was a Man of God (prophet) looked like an Angel of God (God taking on physical form)very awesome (deity). Sounds like a woman who knew who she spoke to. She left out that her son would have a role in delivering Israel from the Philistines.
Why didnβt she tell?
Manoah then prayed to the Lord wanting Him to send the man of God again to teach them how to bring up the boy who was to be born.
Then the Angel of the Lord came to her again in the field. She knew him and ran to get her husband. First thing he asked. βAre you the man who talked to my wife.β Why did he ask. Didnβt he recognize the voice and his wife had already told him?
Manoah asked about how to raise his son. The Angel of God never answers. Only repeats what his wife says but leaves out the role his son would play in the deliverance of Israel from the Philistines.
The whole thing is interesting and says to me as Reggie says she was the key in the account. It says to me she walked closely with the Lord for a long time. She recognized the one delivering the message as Angel of Lordβ (God taking on physical form) βawesomeβ (deity)and He knew her. Also she had the wisdom to know what should be told and what shouldnβt. A woman of wisdom surrounded by men as Pastor Reggie says. Wow, one who stands in wisdom in a world who doesnβt know or walk with God!
Reminder to me:
Donβt tell everything God gives you to one who doesnβt know Him. Also stand with God in the world who donβt know Him.
Sure got a different perspective on (patience) Job!
We sure did get, β a different perspective on (patience) Job!”, Sara. And I appreciated how Pastor Reggie clarified it by saying that “While a person may know God, we cannot know God perfectly – We’ll never know all about God’s dealings.” He followed that up by exhorting us to take away this statement from his lesson, “Man must learn to be content with those things which God has revealed about Himself.”
This sure was a packed lesson. I am going back to review.
Debi, I quoted Pastor Reggie in my notes ,β Man must learn to be content with those things that God has revealed about Himselfβ. I believe this quote was used when verses 17-18 was being taught. Isnβt it interesting how the angel of the Lord answered Manoah when he asked his name? βIt is beyond understanding.β I agree with you….βsure is a packed lessonβ.
Pastor Reggie asked if there was anything omitted, at the start of chapter 13. Verse 1: βAgain the Israelites did evil in the eyes of the Lord, so the Lord delivered them into the hands of the Philistines for 40 years.β I put in my notes π…..β there is no reference of the crying out to the Lord for help, from the Israelites.β(as in previous chapters) βGod took the initiative to raise up Samson.β Did I hear or understand correctly?
Tammyβs notes, βPastor Reggie asked if there was anything omitted, at the start of chapter 13. …There is no reference of the crying out to the Lord for help, from the Israelites.β(as in previous chapters…β It sounded like the Israelities were just content in their lives. I must say at that moment in teaching I caught a glimpse of a question I recently asked a Christian doctor. My question, βwhy are people everywhere in our Nation with all these crises not running to Jesus,β he responded, βbecause men loved darkness more than light. He was right according to John 3:19
Thanks Tammy for your notes. You are privileged to be part of this class and we benefit from your notes.
Debi got it right , βa packed lesson.β Rewind and back to my ear buds! π§
As I followed along with Pastor Reggie’s lesson in Judges 13, he pointed out that in vs. 1 the Israelites repeated their cycle of doing evil in the eyes of the Lord. This time the Lord delivered them into the hands of the Philistines for 40 years! This final oppression was “twice as long as the next longest”. We were told in the lesson that this was the 7th recorded apostasy (falling away from the Lord) in the book of Judges. It was so bad that “it had reached a point that the Israelites displayed little discomfort or little evidence of even wanting to be delivered.” Pastor Reggie’s next comments sent a chilling warning …”that’s the way it is with sin, you just learn to accommodate yourself and adjust to it….you are comfortable living in a sinful environment”… you just get used to it and “live with the status quo.”
Tammy, you said, “Isnβt it interesting how the angel of the Lord answered Manoah when he asked his name? βIt is beyond understanding.β
I thought that interesting also.
How about Pastor Reggie’s observations regarding Manoah and his wife? “The Godly wisdom of a woman outshines that of the men surrounding her.”
He was sure they were going to die from seeing The angel of the Lord (God Himself)? But his wife was “calm, logical and confident…”
I caught that too Debi: woman wisdom outshining the men. I like how Manoahβs wife responded to him. Let me recap from the Bible. β22 βWe are doomed to die!β he said to his wife. βWe have seen God!β
23 But his wife answered, βIf the Lord had meant to kill us, he would not have accepted a burnt offering and grain offering from our hands, nor shown us all these things or now told us this.β
In thinking on βthe womanβ (wife and Mother) surrounding the divine birth of Samson and her abilities to heart pocket those things that needed to be pondered and tell the things that were needful for the time surely protrays a person of wisdom as demonstrated in this life story.
I love how Jesus included all of us, male and female as He spoke Words of βinclusiveβ when we follow wisdom way.
βAgain Jesus spoke to them, saying, βI am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness but will have the light of life.β
βJohn 8:12, NRSV
As I unpacked some of the mysteries of Samson and his parents and miracle birth in this lesson I found my first forever recognizing the story of Samson still remains… βlove of women and revenge.β
Are we reliving the human downfall of mankind? Lust for sex and hit back twice as hard? Now, I somehow in my faith of the teachings of Jesus the Christ, heard along the way, βturn the other cheek, β and refrain from lust of sex and no sex outside of marriage.
Am I understanding Christian Leaders telling me in this new era of Bible teaching, lust, lying, and double hit back is the way leaders have been trained by God to win the wars, run Nations and train our youth?
Boggled Head dolls and my bogging is about to boggle off my shoulders and surely boggle the mind.
My answer for the moment tune in for part 2 of Samson and see how things are going for this long haired Nazirite with the lust of women, wine and fight with manly strength.
We need dialogue on the difference of Nazirite and Nazarene? The Angel of the Lotd, being God in human form appearing to a human… theophany, a manifestation or appearance of God or a god to a person. Not an angel.
Also, 5 cites? Named? Iβm also working on map traveling to help my understanding. Looking forward to my classmates helping us out.
Hey, sure hope Pastor/teacher Reggie doesnβt pull one of thos pop quizzes on us or I might fail. I noticed his live ongoing classes struggled a bit…
I love this ongoing series through Judges. Feeling blessed to study with all of you!
The 5 cities I think you are referring to in the lesson, Sara, were Gath, Gaza, Ashd0d, Ekron and Askelon. We were told they were all close to the Mediterranean. These were cities that the Philistines, war-like fighters, exerted great influence over.
Sara, you said, “We need dialogue on the difference of Nazirite and Nazarene?”
My understanding from Pastor Reggieβs lesson was that Nazirite meant βdedicated or consecrated.β The Nazirite vow was βusually taken voluntarily for a limited period of time.β
He went on to explain that Samsonβs vow was βnot voluntary, it was for his whole life.β There were three restrictions for a Nazirite that Pastor Reggie informed us of and said Samson violated all of them: 1) must not eat or drink anything from a grapevine, not even raisins; 2) could not cut their hair; 3) could not go near a dead body.
In my search regarding Nazarene, Jesus is referred to as βJesus of Nazarethβ in Mark 1:24.
Matt. 2:21-23 tells us that He was called a Nazarene. βSo Joseph got up and returned to the land of Israel with Jesus and his mother. 22 But when he learned that the new ruler of Judea was Herodβs son Archelaus, he was afraid to go there. Then, after being warned in a dream, he left for the region of Galilee. 23 So the family went and lived in a town called Nazareth. This fulfilled what the prophets had said: βHe will be called a Nazarene.β
And in Luke 1:26-27 we are told that Nazareth, a town in Galilee, is where Gabriel appeared to Mary to tell her that she would give birth to a son called Jesus.
Pastor Reggie told us that Samson was the βonly judge where anything about his birth is recorded.β He was from the tribe of Dan. And his hometown was Zorah.
Conversely, the hometown of Jesus was Nazareth and his lineage is from Judah (…”Lion that is from the tribe of Judah, the Root of David” Rev 5:5)
Thanks Debi for the clarification. This scripture always comes to my mind,
“Nazareth!” exclaimed Nathanael. “Can anything good come from Nazareth?” “Come and see for yourself,” Philip replied.βJohn 1:46
Debi, You assured us something beyond good came from Nazareth, Jusus, the Messiah!
Yes…..βJesus, the Messiah β!
” The Angel of the Lotd, being God in human form appearing to a humanβ¦ theophany, a manifestation or appearance of God or a god to a person. Not an angel.” Sara, you mentioned this above from Pastor Reggie’s lesson.
I understood him to say from teaching that the angel of the Lord appeared to them as a visitor. That Manoah and his wife “had no real knowledge concerning this visitor until His supernatural disappearance in vs. 20 and 21.” His wife described Him as βa man of Godβ. Pastor Reggie told us βthat term applied to prophets in the OT but that He was no ordinary prophetβ¦His appearance was very awesomeβ¦He was Deity.β This appearance was compared to one in Judges 6:21 where Gideon saw the angel of the Lord disappear. But this time, the angel of the Lord did something amazingβ¦He dramatically βshot up toward the skyβ and βascended in the fireβ (Judges 13:20).
I went back to Pastor Reggieβs Lesson 3, July 24, 2018, βCondemned by The Angel of the Lord.β. He told us there that in Judges 2 the angel of the Lord appeared then to expose them, and that that appearance was God Himselfβ¦the meaning of theophany β God taking on physical form.
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What beautiful comments to Reggieβs lesson which opens up the scripture and also stimulates our thinking.
Here is what I glean from the teaching.
We are told Manoahβs wife was visited by a stranger who had told her about herself being sterile and childless and went on to tell her about having a child, that he would be a Nazirite, and what she could not eat or drink and he was to play a role in Israelβs deliverance from the Philistines.
Interesting she never asked who He was nor did He introduce Himself. Sounds to me she knew His voice.
Perhaps years of being sterile and without child she grew closer and closerto God and knew His voice.
When she went to tell her husband she said he was a Man of God (prophet) looked like an Angel of God (God taking on physical form)very awesome (deity). Sounds like a woman who knew who she spoke to. She left out that her son would have a role in delivering Israel from the Philistines.
Why didnβt she tell?
Manoah then prayed to the Lord wanting Him to send the man of God again to teach them how to bring up the boy who was to be born.
Then the Angel of the Lord came to her again in the field. She knew him and ran to get her husband. First thing he asked. βAre you the man who talked to my wife.β Why did he ask. Didnβt he recognize the voice and his wife had already told him?
Manoah asked about how to raise his son. The Angel of God never answers. Only repeats what his wife says but leaves out the role his son would play in the deliverance of Israel from the Philistines.
The whole thing is interesting and says to me as Reggie says she was the key in the account. It says to me she walked closely with the Lord for a long time. She recognized the one delivering the message as Angel of Lordβ (God taking on physical form) βawesomeβ (deity)and He knew her. Also she had the wisdom to know what should be told and what shouldnβt. A woman of wisdom surrounded by men as Pastor Reggie says. Wow, one who stands in wisdom in a world who doesnβt know or walk with God!
Reminder to me:
Donβt tell everything God gives you to one who doesnβt know Him. Also stand with God in the world who donβt know Him.
Another bullet point Pastor Reggie made and I think of great significance to watch for, βSamson started but didnβt finish,β
Yes, he did say that.
Tammy, Donβt forget to come back Sunday Night and maybe we will find out who finished! ππ»